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08/23/07

Was My Daughter Telling a Lie? Or…

Posted by : Julia Fuller in Parenting Children with Special Needs Blog at 06:15 am , 500 words, 147 views  
Categories: Daily Frustrations
questionmarkflickr2007I’ve mentioned before that we have been having difficulties with our daughter, who just turned 10 this month, for about a year now. The problems really seemed to begin when her adoption kept being postponed, by the stage agency, not by us. Last night, Super Dad and I had an interesting conversation with our daughter and I would appreciate it if you would offer your opinions or suggestions. It went like this…

“Dani, what were you doing in the bathroom?” I asked, as she resumed eating her treat.

Scene: Dani was in the kitchen having bedtime treat. She left in the middle of eating and walked to the bathroom on the other side of the house, when there is a bathroom right off the kitchen. The bathroom she came out of is also a laundry room and I went in to do another load of laundry after she came out. I noticed that the toilet wasn’t flushed and there wasn’t any toilet paper in it. Therefore, I wondered what she had done in there, because if she had used the toilet, then she needed to wipe, flush, and wash her hands.

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Her response to my question was interesting. “I went in there to throw something a way.”

“Well why would you go all the way to the laundry room to throw something away when the kitchen trash can is right there, beside you?” I was beginning to get a little suspicious.

“I don’t know, I guess I wasn’t thinking,” she rattled off without any hesitation.

“Oh, what did you through away?” I tried to be nonchalant.

“A piece of paper,” she said, again without hesitation.

Scene: I went into the laundry room and looked in the trashcan. There wasn’t any paper in it. I returned to the kitchen.

“Dani, there isn’t any paper in the bathroom trashcan,” I said nicely.

“Oh well, I thought I threw away a piece of paper,” then she looked away.

“Dad, could you please come into the kitchen?” I called him from the living room where he was watching TV. I explain the situation.

“Dani, why did you go into the bathroom?” Super Dad asked.

“Well, I thought I threw away a piece of paper.”

“Why do you keep looking away from me when you talk to me, Dani?”
“Go get the trashcan.”

Scene: Dani leaves the room and returns a minute later with the trashcan. Super Dad asks where the paper is. Dani begins to dig through the trashcan, but it is no use because there is no paper.

“Dani, why did you go into the bathroom?” Super Dad patiently asks again.

The same story was repeated twice and then I asked her to go to bed. She has lived with our family for almost three years now. What do you think that was about?

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Comment from: AdoptionBlogs Editor [Member] Email · http://editor.adoptionblogs.com
OK, if it were a boy of a certain age it might be easier to guess but this one is a complete mystery!
PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 06:52
Comment from: Justmemom [Member] Email
My first thought is that she was sneaking some kind of food from the kitchen. Is that a problem? Is there "forbidden" food? Is food an issue between you? I don't know if you were in the kitchen with her so maybe you know she left empty-handed. If she was sneaking food, then you may want to re-think how food is offered/available since perhaps it is not meeting her needs.

Another thought if not related to food is that I probably would not have even pursued it in the first place recognizing that at this age kids need privacy and are embarrassed about certain things. Did it bother you for some reason that she went to that bathroom?

How would you want to be treated in a similar situation? Would you want your husband giving you an interrogation and searching for evidence? I wouldn't. I try to treat my kids as I would want to be treated when I can. Even if lying is a problem for her, there's a reason for it just like it would be for you if you developed a lying habit about something.

At this point, I'd probably take advantage of an opportunity during a calm, cuddling time to let her know that you love her, she is safe with you and she doesn't need to hide things from you and that if there's anything going on, it is safe for her to be open with you because you're on her side. I'd tell her I value honesty in our relationship and blah, blah, blah, you know the speech. But I'd do it at a time when she's open to it, not when she's in fight or flight mode and on the spot with a trash can that's she's wishing had a piece of paper in it.
PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 07:28
Comment from: Kelly [Member] Email · http://fost-adopt.adoptionblogs.com
My 14 year old lies as easily as he breathes. I don't ask questions that I don't absolutely need an answer to.

She was doing something she wasn't supposed to, plain and simple. Maybe she was letting you know she wanted to clean that bathroom. :)
PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 07:52
Comment from: Julia Fuller [Member] Email · http://special-needs.adoptionblogs.com/
Just me mom, thanks for your great thoughts and insight. What bothered me, as I mentioned was, that the toilet hadn't been flushed, but was "used" and there wasn't any tp in it, and she hadn't washed her hands. Therefore, if she had gone potty, I wanted her to wipe and wash. Her doctor has discussed the hygiene issue with her and there is a problem and she needs to wipe. Also, since she was returning to the table to eat, then if she had gone potty, she needed to wash her hands. If I asked if she had gone potty and not used tp she would have been defensive, so I was trying an alternate route, which didn't work either. Food hasn't been an issue with her, she eats whatever she wants and was in the middle of eating treat when the incident occured. Your last suggestion may be effective. Although we've tried this in the past and she's very stubborn.
PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 08:12
Comment from: Julia Fuller [Member] Email · http://special-needs.adoptionblogs.com/
Kelly, LOL, A true foster parent directive!
PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 08:14
Comment from: lmg1567 [Member] Email
My 9 yo son cannot eat a snack or meal without getting up to use the bathroom. He'll sit down, take a bite or two and then dash for the bathroom because he has to go right now. I've checked on him and he does go - I just don't know why sitting down to eat is such a trigger for him. We've asked him to go before he sits down, but we have to be vigilant about it every single time and sometimes we forget.

Your daughters evasiveness was enough to tell you that she doesn't want you to know what she was doing. She may need an escort to the bathroom. I'd be looking carefully for a stash of some kind in that particular bathroom. I've found partially (moldy - augh!) sandwiches stashed behind the shampoo under the sink because one of my kids never wanted to finish the food she took (in a hurry to go play).
PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 09:51
Comment from: Justmemom [Member] Email
Oh, I didn't get that there was something in the toilet and that your concern was hygiene. Duh! Sorry.



PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 09:51
Comment from: Justmemom [Member] Email
Oops--forgot to add...

I don't ask my kids questions I know the answer to (thereby giving them opportunities to lie).
PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 09:53
Comment from: Julia Fuller [Member] Email · http://special-needs.adoptionblogs.com/
Justmemom, You are right about setting them up to lie. I need to learn to not ask, just say, for example, "wash your hands." My husband frequently tells me that I shouldn't ask questions. I liked Julie's example of just talking while preparing food or laundry, so you are explaining it to the child, without puttin gthem on the spot.
PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 11:26
Comment from: NCOZADD@aol.com [Member] Email
Kelly amd Img really hit a cord with me, and both say something well worth pondering with regard to your situation.

My 20 year old also lies as easily as he breathes, and has done so for many years.

Any child who has to go that badly will naturally use the closest facilities. For one to use a further one immediately invites suspicion.

My idea one-ups Kelly's a little bit.... supervised cleaning of the bathroom might be just the ticket.

Inviting the child to tell a lie is also inviting a child to tell the truth. You and Superdad no doubt have responses to either scenario, as befits the situation. Learning personal responsibility is a key, IMHO.
PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 11:43
Comment from: Julia Fuller [Member] Email · http://special-needs.adoptionblogs.com/
Thanks NCOZADD. Sometimes I don't get why they lie. We have a policy that if you tell the truth, you won't get in trouble because we are trying to build trust, accountability, and a lifetime relationship.
PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 11:58
Comment from: Julie [Member] Email · http://special-needs.adoptionblogs.com/
I didn't get it was about using the toilet and not flushing/washing either.

One of my favorite (non-shame producing) things to do to "remind" my kids if they don't do what they are supposed to remember to do is something from Love & Logic called the "uh-oh" song. It's on L&L toddler tape - but works with LuLu.

I would say "Uh oh, looks like someone used the bathroom without flushing and washing. Wonder if that person could go back and finish so she can have the rest of her treat."

Now everyone in the room knows LuLu was the offender, but because I didn't call her out by name or put her in a position to lie, for some reason it makes it easier for her to jump up and rectify the situation.

Of course it's still MADDENING that they NEVER remember some of that basic stuff...and they always leave us wondering whether it is true working memory and attention problems or just passive aggressive behavior.

BTW - I'm always getting caught asking my kid "why" questions too -- you'd think I've been at this long enough to quit that!
PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 12:17
Comment from: Julia Fuller [Member] Email · http://special-needs.adoptionblogs.com/
I'm not sure that she did "use" the bathroom. The boys are notorious for not flushing, too. That is why I asked what she was doing. I didn't expect the big drama scene over what I thought was a simple question. Although I should begin to expect it, because she's dished up enough of it over the last year. I sure hope she returns to her "old" self when the adoption is finalized. No idea of when yet. worker still hasn't sent paperwork to the capital. Maybe before she graduates...
PermalinkPermalink 08/23/07 @ 12:39
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